no no no, that's not at all what i'm saying. there's tons of non-NYC bands, tons of non-american bands, tons of non-70's bands that are mighty good and original. i was only responding to bubba for saying "TARD", because, while i like all the bands i listed, i wouldn't call him a tard if he didn't. that's it. not looking for cred...of course SY isn't obscure. i don't care at all for indie cred, which is just a fashion statement ultimately, and has nothing to do with music. i just get tired of personal attacks when all this diana was saying was that she was curious if she had seen a bad night, since she didn't like it. she was, ya know, friendly about it.